Ray Tracing coming to Nvidia Cards from the 1060 6gb card up.

[trev123]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/real-ti ... teFoEvM60M

Battle Field V ray tracing demo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzaGI78NtkE

[GSkid]

Well my 1080 qualifies for sure, but I don't have Battlefield V or Metro Exodus yet. I'm kinda cheap and wait for things to go on sale.

The thinking in the gaming community is that Nvidia wants some of the owners of the 10-series GPUs to get a taste of the difference with ray tracing on. Of course it's at a lower framerate and they hope you will want to upgrade to an RTX card to get those framerates higher with their ray tracing and tensor cores. Pretty smart thinking for sure.

I guess I can see how it well it looks with that Quake 2 ray tracing mod or maybe see if it works with the new 3DMark Port Royal ray tracing benchmark software. TBH I've only been moderately impressed with how it's been implemented so far in the comparison videos. They will get better with it in future games as more devs support it. I'm certainly not gonna go out and purchase a game just to try it out. In due time.

[RailWorkshop]

Need RT in TSW now

[buzz456]

Is that like a light saber?

[trev123]

No.

[buzz456]

Am I wrong when I say that it would have no effect on TS2019?

[NYWhiskey]

Guys, guys, guys, please stop it. I posted months ago when I got my RTX 2080Ti. I didn't see an improvement over my GTX 980 with TS or TSW. Ray Tracing has to be coded into the game and DTG already has it's hands full with the game, never mind coding Ray Tracing. If you have a GTX 10xx just forget it, you don't even have the cores to run Ray Tracing. They are just trying to get game companies on board. The 16xx is a cheap fake too.

Now if you want to talk about real ray tracing.... Battlefield V is the first game and barely scratches the surface of Ray Tracing but Holy Sh*t! It is mind blowing in the scale of clearness and reality. The lighting and reflections are incredible!

Please, please save your money if all you play is TS and TSW. If you play Battlefield V I already got my $1300 worth!!

Like I said, I went from a GTX 980 to a RTX 2080Ti. I always skip a generation. If you go from a business class GTX 1060 or a mid class GTX 1070 your mileage may vary. I think my GTX 980 still out performs those.

[RailWorkshop]

Train Simulator is so called old school now with the advent of PBR in graphics technology.
Those guys at DTG have not written graphics of TSW in Ray Tracing as I suppose the game was built during 2014 when there was no signs of Ray Tracing.
You can wait more years to come when new games with RayTracing will popup in the scene.
Let the dust settle.

[NYWhiskey]

Words of wisdom Lloyd, words of wisdom.



If you have Battlefield V and want the top of the line best then yea, go for it! (RTX 2080Ti)

[GSkid]

Guys, guys, guys, please stop it. I posted months ago when I got my RTX 2080Ti. I didn't see an improvement over my GTX 980 with TS or TSW. Ray Tracing has to be coded into the game and DTG already has it's hands full with the game, never mind coding Ray Tracing. If you have a GTX 10xx just forget it, you don't even have the cores to run Ray Tracing. They are just trying to get game companies on board. The 16xx is a cheap fake too.

Now if you want to talk about real ray tracing.... Battlefield V is the first game and barely scratches the surface of Ray Tracing but Holy Sh*t! It is mind blowing in the scale of clearness and reality. The lighting and reflections are incredible!

Please, please save your money if all you play is TS and TSW. If you play Battlefield V I already got my $1300 worth!!

Like I said, I went from a GTX 980 to a RTX 2080Ti. I always skip a generation. If you go from a business class GTX 1060 or a mid class GTX 1070 your mileage may vary. I think my GTX 980 still out performs those.

I hate to burst your bubble, but what you said about ray tracing is incorrect. You can ray trace without the ray tracing cores just like you can enable Physx in games without needing a dedicated Physx card or the CUDA cores of an Nvidia GPU to implement it. If you've ever used a game that supports Physx, some will allow you the choice between a Physx card/GPU for it's calculations or to use the CPU for them instead. That's why you can still get Physx on an all AMD system even though their GPUs don't support it. Choosing the CPU still gives you Physx, but of course at a reduced performance in frame rate. Although that could all change with AMD GPUs now that Nvidia has recently made Physx open source for any GPU maker or developer to implement in their own products, thus freeing up the CPU for other game related calculations.

It's sorta the same with ray tracing in this case. GTX cards can handle it, just not at the same framerates as an RTX card. Nvidia was counting on the fact that they were only allowing ray tracing on their RTX cards (while CLEARLY giving the public the false impression that it was only possible on RTX cards) and that people would jump on it and upgrade. When that didn't happen in the numbers they were hoping for, they went to Plan B.... which was to enable it on some of the 10-series cards. They figured once we saw what it actually looked like, even though it's at a much lower framerate, that it would be enough of an enticing tease to get those card owners to upgrade to higher performance ray tracing. Since RTX is only on the 2070 cards and higher, it makes sense for them to allow it only on 1060 cards and higher. Cards with the "50" suffix have always been their lower profit-margin, entry-level gaming GPUs aimed at budget gamers and why they likely didn't include ray tracing support for them.

Here's a very good article that explains what Nvidia did and why they did it with this announcement.......

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/287 ... ffectively

[NYWhiskey]

GTX cards can handle it, just not at the same framerates as an RTX card.

You're not bursting my bubble. I've read a lot of articles too. Believe me, when you blow A LOT of money on a card you do research, research, research. That's why when they enabled it for the 10 series it blew my mind, they can only do half the stuff of a 20.

That's what scares me. They are trying to entice game companies to develop RT but now they will do a half assed job so it will run on 10 series.

And Battlefield V is far from perfect. The more I play the more I notice little things, but it's new. How long does it take for TS to progress?

I believe most of the guys here don't even know what we are talking about. Some people think a better video card will make TS and TSW run better.

If all you do is Train Sim stick with your 10 series (or go to 1080) and don't worry about RT. Buy every download you want instead!

[GSkid]

That's what scares me. They are trying to entice game companies to develop RT but now they will do a half assed job so it will run on 10 series.

That's not the way you should look at it. You should welcome an option that can speed up the adoption of a cool, new feature in games.

Just like when you can dial down certain graphics settings to improve performance, you can do the same with ray tracing. Those with a 2080ti can set ray tracing to ultra, while depending on which 10-series card you have, you might have to change it all the way down to the low setting and/or reduce the resolution to get it reasonably playable. Cutting-edge games are typically made to push current or future hardware to their limits in the higher settings ranges for enthusiast machines, but also allow you to cut back on graphics settings for people with older and/or lower spec computers. Ray tracing would just be another item in a long list of settings you could tweak as needed.

They usually do that to kind of future proof their games. They overtax the system with cutting edge graphics options that at the ultra settings, will be a slideshow on current hardware until more powerful chips in the future allow these games to be played at 60fps. That's what GTA 5 did. There were certain settings levels that used up more VRAM then the top graphics cards had at the time. So it would need to swap some of it that was above the card's VRAM size, in and out of the slower system RAM if you had it up that high and thus reduced overall performance. Now there are video cards on the market like the new 16GB HBM2 VRAM Radeon 7 card that could fit it all in VRAM with no problem at 4K resolution.

The software is the big shoe that the evolving hardware foot will at some point be able to grow into. Knowing that, I don't see them half assing the job. I see them doing what they have done for years...... pushing the limits of hardware and allowing you to dial it back if your rig can't handle it right now. It's as simple as that.

[buzz456]

The last thing I understood in this conversation was the answer to my question if it was a light saber.

[mindenjohn]

And so say at least 96% of us.

[ex-railwayman]

Let the geeks chat amongst themselves, I lost complete interest in the thread as soon as I saw the words ray tracing.........

Cheerz. Steve.